00:00 Why the counter-intuitive way of making things harder (or more challenging) makes things more satisfying
02:30 Using exercise examples– how problem-solving during climbing engages Marina so much that she doesn’t notice how hard she’s working.
06:00 Shanna uses progress as a way to avoid boredom. Talks about rucking as a way of intensely engaging in walking or hiking.
09:00 Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi and Flow — why making your work more challenging gets you into flow
11:30 This is somewhat like play, but you’re also raising the stakes
14:00 Use it as a “Choose-Your-Own-Adventure” — Even in the challenging straits of business
17:00 Shanna’s current challenge: Pulling out all my system-based knowledge out of her brain to share with a VA.